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Title: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 21, 2017, 03:02:03 AM
I'm really bored. I feel like having a new system with the handy Deflemask after a 2-week voting poll. What system do you think should be in his 0.12.1 release?

Delek, don't get bash-y over this poll, I'm just wanting the feeling of another soundchip after the 2-week contest.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: djmaximum on June 21, 2017, 06:50:48 AM
I'm hoping for Delek to add in the YM2608 sound chip. The NEC PC-88 and PC-98 really need a tracker and I hope to see support for exporting songs in .s98 format.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 21, 2017, 06:55:31 AM
I'm hoping for Delek to add in the YM2608 sound chip. The NEC PC-88 and PC-98 really need a tracker and I hope to see support for exporting songs in .s98 format.

Added alongside YM2203!
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: bluesky on June 21, 2017, 10:28:07 AM
No YMF292/SCSP?
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 21, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
No YMF292/SCSP?

That's too many channels for SCSP (32). It would hog up room in the pattern matrix. Are you referring "YMF292" as "YMF262"?
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: bluesky on June 21, 2017, 11:17:37 AM
I mean Saturn Custom Sound Processor.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 21, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
Okay. SCSP is a sample based audio chip anyways. Try using trackers that are based around sampled audio (e.g ModPlug Tracker, Impulse Tracker). If you want another system to be included, vote for one of the options above.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 21, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
Voting is allowed by members ONLY. Delek, please undo your vote.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 1-2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: JetStar1997 on June 21, 2017, 12:25:05 PM
I'm hoping for Delek to add in the YM2608 sound chip. The NEC PC-88 and PC-98 really need a tracker and I hope to see support for exporting songs in .s98 format.

I second this post. As someone who has an interest in old soundchips, I would like to compose music that uses this chip.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Michirin9801 on June 21, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
PC-88/98, SNES AND GBA audio?? DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE >o<';
I want all of them...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: JetStar1997 on June 21, 2017, 03:58:37 PM
PC-88/98, SNES AND GBA audio?? DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE >o<';
I want all of them...

I feel the same way too. I wish I could choose more than one... :(
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Tobikomi on June 21, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
YM2413 ALL THE WAY! B-)
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Paul999 on June 21, 2017, 08:15:59 PM
Vote for OKIM6295!
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: marcb0t on June 21, 2017, 09:59:56 PM
Okay. SCSP is a sample based audio chip anyways. Try using trackers that are based around sampled audio (e.g ModPlug Tracker, Impulse Tracker). If you want another system to be included, vote for one of the options above.

Incorrect.

SCSP can condense it's 32 sample channels to be divided into 8 separate 4 OP FM channels. It can even be tweaked to produce sounds that rival even the DX 7.

Source: http://segaretro.org/Saturn_Custom_Sound_Processor

Actually, the subdividing of operators can be customized in a variety of arrangments, and you can use sample data as the base oscillation for an operator. Very powerful FM sampling combo. From what I heard, you are not limited to SINE based FM.

I assure you, it is no ordinary sample based tracker. SCSP is actually the most advanced exclusive synth chip that's ever been inside any video game system.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: RazerBlue6 on June 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
I wanna see fixed noise freq reach and volume levels in Deflemask for PC Engine first

I mean YM2608 for sure (.m2 and .vgm would be best for export, m2 being the "rom" and .vgm as, well duh .vgm)
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: djmaximum on June 22, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
I wanna see fixed noise freq reach and volume levels in Deflemask for PC Engine first

I mean YM2608 for sure (.m2 and .vgm would be best for export, m2 being the "rom" and .vgm as, well duh .vgm)
Don't forget about the .s98 file format.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Genatari on June 23, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
YMU759  ;)

Does anyone even remember?
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Paul999 on June 23, 2017, 08:31:29 PM
Vote for OKIM6295!
As the SNES S-SMP vote for the new tracker system...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Delek on June 23, 2017, 09:39:05 PM
YMU759  ;)

Does anyone even remember?
Epic post.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Tobikomi on June 25, 2017, 02:20:25 AM
Hey Bryce, you should add the Vic-1 chip (Commodore Vic-20 soundchip), I feel that the chip needs a functional tracker for Windows. (I've voted, but it's an awesome chip.)
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Alianger on June 26, 2017, 01:07:38 PM
Honestly I think fully featured existing chips should be higher priority. Like sample playback for the SMS chip, multiple sample playback for MD/GEN, and perhaps "super PSG" with its new waveform options. After that, better sample support so it's easier to tune samples in the tracker. Didn't sample tuning and volume control exist in certain sound drivers for MD games too?

But after that, definitely YM2608 or OPL3! Don't see the point with SNES personally unless perhaps if all its unique effects and filtering are also implemented. Otherwise why not have PS1 or something instead?

Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: djmaximum on June 27, 2017, 05:02:55 AM
The reason why I didn't pick the YM2203 is because  a tracker for the YM2203 already exists (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53467)
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Bruce A. Dyson on June 27, 2017, 05:23:25 AM
The reason why I didn't pick the YM2203 is because  a tracker for the YM2203 already exists (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53467)

TFM is made for the Turbosound FM card, which has two YM2203s. Although the tracker doesn't support SSG channels, it is compatible with Sega Genesis/Mega Drive YM2612 playback.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: RazerBlue6 on June 27, 2017, 08:37:05 AM
Since the OPN and OPN2 are of the same family you could just use 3 channels of the YM2612 and the SN7 channels as SSG channels.

Or better yet, if the YM2608 gets implemented only use 3 of the FM channels and the SSG, leaving out the ADPCM and remaining 3 FM instruments.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Michirin9801 on June 28, 2017, 02:45:37 AM
Since the OPN and OPN2 are of the same family you could just use 3 channels of the YM2612 and the SN7 channels as SSG channels.
The problem with that is that the SMS PSG doesn't have as many pitches as the YM2203's SSG, sometimes I need to go lower in pitch than the SN will allow, and another thing is the noise mode, the SSG can play white noise and square wave on the same channel, kinda like channels 5 and 6 on the PC engine, except it can do even better than that by playing both at the same time on the same channel which can make for some sweet drums and even free up an FM channel to play something like a chord...
I feel that if the YM2608 gets implemented then the YM2203 is a no-brainer...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Paul999 on July 01, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
It's about 3 days...
Winning 2 systems...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Paul999 on July 01, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
It's about 3 days...
Winning 2 systems...
Well vote for SNES...  ::)
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Michirin9801 on July 01, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
It's about 3 days...
Winning 2 systems...
Well vote for SNES...  ::)
I regret not having voted for the SNES but... GBA REPRESENT!!
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: JetStar1997 on July 02, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
It's about 3 days...
Winning 2 systems...
Well vote for SNES...  ::)
I regret not having voted for the SNES but... GBA REPRESENT!!

I, too, voted for the SNES, but I would really like to compose GBA music. (Also, the YM2608 is now taking the lead in this poll).
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Michirin9801 on July 02, 2017, 05:20:37 AM
(Also, the YM2608 is now taking the lead in this poll).
And I'm perfectly fine with that... I want either the SNES or the GBA to win (or both), but since the odds are stacked against the GBA then I'm rooting for the SNES, however if anything other than the SNES is to win, then it has to be the YM2608 (preferably with YM2203 thrown in as well for good measure) which I also want to compose for, it's the FM synth chip that I've always wanted! But everything else? Would not take my attention away from the PC engine for even a second honestly...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: DevEd on July 02, 2017, 03:11:46 PM
As I am not a huge fan of FM soundchips (not that I hate FM or anything, it's just not my favorite type of sound chip) I'd say that we already have enough FM chips in DefleMask. Meanwhile, all we have for wavetable is TG16/PCE (and Game Boy to a certain extent)! Therefore, I'd say that either Virtual Boy, Wonderswan, or SCC should be added next(I voted for WonderSwan, as it's the one I want the most).
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Michirin9801 on July 03, 2017, 12:15:45 AM
As I am not a huge fan of FM soundchips (not that I hate FM or anything, it's just not my favorite type of sound chip) I'd say that we already have enough FM chips in DefleMask. Meanwhile, all we have for wavetable is TG16/PCE (and Game Boy to a certain extent)! Therefore, I'd say that either Virtual Boy, Wonderswan, or SCC should be added next(I voted for WonderSwan, as it's the one I want the most).
I totally see your point, but we have like, 2 FM chips in Deflemask, 1 wavetable, a few non-standard PSGs and NO samplers, therefore the Super Nintendo should probably be the next chip to be added...
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Paul999 on July 05, 2017, 11:37:52 AM
Because the vote closed because he wins the sound chip YM2608 and thanks for the Bruce A. Dyson.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Therektafire on August 16, 2017, 02:37:34 AM
Well if we are thinking about opening the door to full sampler chips the Amiga should be an absolute no brainer :D After all that is where tracking really took off to begin with so it would make no sense to have such a diverse multi-system tracker without including it if we are thinking about including samplers. And of course the snes too. SCSP would be ok as well but I think snes or amiga should be higher priority IF delek wanted to go that route.
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: RazerBlue6 on August 16, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
OpenMPT is there to do amiga .mod, impulse tracker, screamtracker and fast tracker II
Title: Re: Delek, it's been at least 2 years since a system was added to Deflemask. :P
Post by: Therektafire on August 16, 2017, 06:49:32 PM
Well true, I guess the mod/xm tracker market is a bit like the Youtube gaming/lets play market, completely oversaturated :D So I guess it would be better to work on a snes tracker after all since those are very rare