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« on: August 29, 2011, 08:18:22 PM »
Hi guys,
           I finished my first YMU759 track! There's not much to it as it was more of a learning DefleMask exercise.

No samples were used as I prefer FM synthesis for percussion compared to lo-fi samples.

This was made in beta 3.0 and I have not yet tested it in 3.5 but I assume it will sound the same.

Hope you enjoy!  ;D

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 08:28:53 PM »
HOLY SHIIIT!. VERY NICE AND POWERFULL USE OF FM.

I need to put this track  RIGHT NOW on the tiny Samsung N620 that I have!. EPICC WORK!.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2011, 10:25:40 PM »
Thanks a lot, Delek! Let me know how it sounds on your Samsung N620. I just received a refurbished Siemens SX-1 in the mail today so I'll be trying it out after work. ^_^

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 11:49:10 PM »
SX1!!, could you please record a video with the SX1 playing this tune?!. Here in Argentina is almost impossible to get one of these, is the best FM Synth phone ever.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 09:21:09 AM »
I'd love to record a video but I can't seem to copy files to the phone via Bluetooth. This means I'll have to wait to get an MMC memory card. Apparently SD cards don't work.

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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 10:06:09 AM »
VIA WAP?? :D

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 08:17:27 PM »
So I eventually managed to get the mmf file onto the SX-1, but when played it just sounds like a nasty wavetable synth and NOT FM at all. :'( I was very disappointed. Does the SX-1 really have a Yamaha chip in it? Maybe my phone is a fake SX-1??

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 11:31:12 PM »
Yes, it is confirmed that the SX1 have the YMU759 inside. You can disassembly the phone in order to check it out.

Strange that the tune doesn't play fine, I've tested on maaanyy phones (Samsung majority) and all the MMFs are playing very well.
Do you have a pic of your SX1?.

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2011, 08:25:06 AM »
Attached is a photo of the phone.

It is very strange. I've tried other mmf files and they all have the same problem. Any files with samples play the samples just fine, but all the FM instruments are being played back via what sounds like a MIDI wavetable synth.

I tried to find some information about it but there is nothing I can find.

The phone is from China so maybe there was a version of the SX-1 without the FM capability? Or maybe somehow it has a software-based MIDI wavetable synth installed? I have no clue but I'm giving up on it for now. :(

In the meantime, is it possible that you could record my track from one of your FM-capable phones via audio cable and upload it as a flac file or even 320kbps mp3 somewhere. I would love to have a copy of it recorded from the real hardware! :)

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 09:25:32 AM »
What a beauty phone!, and what a shame that one of the best phones in the Compatibility list, begins to bring doubts about if is really useful the YMU759 that have inside.

I've never have a SX1, but my investigations back in the day were done using the OFFICIAL Siemens Service Manuals, check this out:

However, now that you're saying to me that the playing is like a wavetable, I'm wondering if the "D400" is the master soundchip and the YMU759 a secondary one. If this is the case, maybe you have to download an aplication to overpass the D400 and use ONLY the YMU759.


The shape of the 16 FM Synthesizer.

And this is the actual YMU759.



I do not have doubts about that the YMU759 IS inside the SX1, but maybe it is in a more lower layer and is not easy to use it directly.

THIS is the service manual, if you want to take a look in it. The "Soundchip" stuff is on the page 58.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 10:24:13 PM »
Oh well, I still love the tracker and want to make more YMU759 tracks with it, I've just been busy. I now have a cheap Samsung X609 on its way in the mail so hopefully I can play and record music from that.

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 10:13:49 PM »
You say you got it from China? China is notorious for counterfeit electronics.

Great job on the track. I especially like how all the percussion is high quality FM.